@hfaust The men-in-their-40s-and-50s-moaning-about-the-good-ol'-days-when-pop-culture-schmaltz-was-a-different-kind-of-terrible movie.
@hfaust @kakafarm the typical claim is that older movies are formulaic but can you really say that tons of modern movies aren't? they are both formulaic and fail the formula lol, like everything about these cash grab movies should be by the numbers but they're still not great even if people still go to see them since there's nothing better to do.
you know what an exception appears to be? the sonic the hedgehog movies.
you know what an exception appears to be? the sonic the hedgehog movies.
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@sun @hfaust @kakafarm my feeling is that writers have gotten destroyed somehow as a profession - that the entire industry stopped regard writing as a serious activity that needed resources or attention, and decades ago switched to the biological equivalent of ChatGPTing it.
>Lucas writes the prequel script in a weekend
>Disney lets different directors write the script, and picks a guy whose only writing technique is mystery boxes who then just rehashes the original trilogy
>scripts don't survive editing and reshoots and studio control in any case
>Lucas writes the prequel script in a weekend
>Disney lets different directors write the script, and picks a guy whose only writing technique is mystery boxes who then just rehashes the original trilogy
>scripts don't survive editing and reshoots and studio control in any case
@sun @hfaust @kakafarm as for why, maybe digital editing got too easy to make the reshoot meta possible. Maybe digital production improved so fast that Hollywood's still very impressed by CGI and thinks this makes other elements of movies less important. Maybe fads like mystery boxes and cinematic universes were too successful despite cheating at the writing. Maybe a series of writer's strikes made it riskier to rely much on writers. The details I think you'd need a good historian to describe with insider reports, but the result I think is clear enough: the writing is always impressively bad.
@sun @apropos @hfaust I like this idea. Jonathan Blow had a talk about how technological regression happens, or somesuch - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSRHeXYDLko
@sun @hfaust @kakafarm https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Writers'_room
>The "proliferation" of mini-rooms in the 2020s, partly as a cost-cutting measure by producers, was one of the major issues in the 2023 Writers Guild of America strike.[7] Historically, television seasons had so many episodes that writers' rooms worked on the later episodes while filming began on the first few episodes. Thus, writers had plenty of writing work to keep them busy, and were also able to provide extensive feedback on the production of early episodes and interact with cast and crew on set.[6][7] This traditional arrangement allowed them to gain valuable experience on the production side so they could then pitch their own shows and become showrunners someday.[6][7] The shift to shorter seasons for streaming series meant that mini-rooms would churn out an entire season of scripts first, then only the showrunner and one writer would remain with the series throughout principal photography to revise those scripts further as needed.[6][7] This shift meant less work and less money for writers, along with less opportunities to graduate to showrunner.[6][7]
glad that my Dick Van Dyke knowledge matched up somewhat with reality, even if the only highlighted issues are very recent. You had huge writing rooms, which then probably gained many collaborative impairments from social issues, then got cut down to skeleton crews that let studios milk the experienced writers without ever raising new writers to replace them. I've seen this same thing in IT, where there was a gradual collapse in institutional knowledge.
>The "proliferation" of mini-rooms in the 2020s, partly as a cost-cutting measure by producers, was one of the major issues in the 2023 Writers Guild of America strike.[7] Historically, television seasons had so many episodes that writers' rooms worked on the later episodes while filming began on the first few episodes. Thus, writers had plenty of writing work to keep them busy, and were also able to provide extensive feedback on the production of early episodes and interact with cast and crew on set.[6][7] This traditional arrangement allowed them to gain valuable experience on the production side so they could then pitch their own shows and become showrunners someday.[6][7] The shift to shorter seasons for streaming series meant that mini-rooms would churn out an entire season of scripts first, then only the showrunner and one writer would remain with the series throughout principal photography to revise those scripts further as needed.[6][7] This shift meant less work and less money for writers, along with less opportunities to graduate to showrunner.[6][7]
glad that my Dick Van Dyke knowledge matched up somewhat with reality, even if the only highlighted issues are very recent. You had huge writing rooms, which then probably gained many collaborative impairments from social issues, then got cut down to skeleton crews that let studios milk the experienced writers without ever raising new writers to replace them. I've seen this same thing in IT, where there was a gradual collapse in institutional knowledge.
@sun @hfaust @kakafarm science fiction novels? I bet there's a lot of the ouroboros problem there, also seen in gaming: the early works are based on worldly experience (in practicing science, in military service) and then later works are based on SF experience (in reading Asimov, in reading Heinlein).
This was in in AngryJoe's criticism of the Minecraft movie: the writers had clearly prepared a list of "children's movie plot points" and those plot points too deliberately. Checking all the boxes but not having a vision of its own.
This was in in AngryJoe's criticism of the Minecraft movie: the writers had clearly prepared a list of "children's movie plot points" and those plot points too deliberately. Checking all the boxes but not having a vision of its own.
@sun@shitposter.world @rain@melonbread.dev @hfaust@shitposter.world @kakafarm@shitposter.world Institutional brain worms. When the entire system revolves around destroying the old in favor of the $current message- this is what you get.
