@sun this analogy keeps getting thrown around and it too will completely lose meaning and turn into a groan fest like "fascist" or "racist"
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@7666 it's way past that point. also it totally would apply to the ukraine army because if you let just one nazi in even if he's a "good guy" then more will show up, right?"
alternatively, it's a shit metaphor
alternatively, it's a shit metaphor
@sun I like to counter with "keep your friends close and your enemies closer" anyhow
@adiz @7666 it breaks the metaphor because you're supposed to conclude that not one drop of nazism is okay. but the ukraine army, which had an entire neo nazi division, was deemed acceptable. so, the nazi bar, which statistically 100% of the time is applied to people that aren't even actually nazis, is not a serious concept.
@7666 there's historical reasons why ukraine is like this and I accept its practical necessity under the current circumstances.
@dwaltiz I think it depends on the part of Ukraine and the sort of Ukrainians you're talking about. Criticize Russia all one wants, but Ukraine was oppressing ethnic Russians after the coup, Donbass and other separatists regions did genuinely want to break away from Ukraine and/or otherwise become part of the Russian Federation, and Crimea did pass a referendum to join Russia. These were ethnic Russians who spoke Russian and were actively harassed and treated hostile by the post-coup government after 2014. And, these are probably the people who supported or extolled, traditionally, the Red Army. Whereas Western Ukrainians were/are probably those more supportive of Nazi Germany. @7666 @lain @sun